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Hurricane Hattie

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Last year we discussed hurricane preparedness and then we discovered a few things (such as, forget three days' worth, try three weeks'worth of stuff, or, if thirty feet of water comes through your house, it doesn't matter how many batteries you had.)
It's not too early to talk about what did and didn't work, and what we need to think about for the coming season.

And don't forget, a few years ago, H'burg got straight-line winds in the spring that did beaucoup damage and knocked out power for days.

Here are some starters, just from my experience:

- The big square coolers will hold cold for five days. A down comforter on top helps a lot. I used three coolers of graduated sizes and worked my way down, had cold drinks for a week.
- Make lots and lots of ice beforehand. If you have extra room in your freezer, freeze bottles and jugs and tupperware bowls of water. I do this all summer. These were a godsend. The solid ice stays frozen longer than bagged ice.
- Get rubber stoppers for the tub(s). Those lever things don't hold, although a plastic bag stuffed in the drain helps. Fill the tub, fill the washer.
- If you have a pool, don't let people swim in it. (Sounds mean.) You need the relatively clean water to flush and bathe. If people swim, it won't be relatively clean very long. Ask me how I know.
- Chip and innoculate animals. Even if you evacuate you may have to board them somewhere, unless Aunt Minnie really, really likes your cat.
- Sterno. Can be used indoors. One can of Sterno will heat water three times. If you can boil water, you can have coffee and tea and soup and . . . drinkable water. I set mine down in a heavy pan, put the rack from my slow-cooker across it, and a small pan of water on top. The unused Sterno will evaporate if you don't re-cover the can tightly. If I have coffee, I can endure anything.
- Tap lights. Flashlights are a pain. Amazon is selling a stick-up light that runs 100 hours on three AAA batteries.


One last item. I don't recommend this for everyone, but for myself, I will have a gun in the house next time. I was alone on my block in the dark for a week.

Of course, the best thing is to leave if at all possible.

Guess this is the price we pay for not scraping ice.

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Patti

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Thanks for the good advice, sometimes we need to be reminded of common sense stuff. She is right, now is the time to start laying in those supplies for when you need them.  No sense in getting caught with yer britches around yer ankles.


 FYI, those of us who scrape our windows also put up with tornadoes.  You at least get warnings with a hurricane and can evacuate. With a tornado its right now, no chance to get out. Maybe if you are lucky you get 5 minutes to get to the basement, providing you have one.



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Better Than Batteries

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Forget the batteries for those tap lights there is something available that is even better. They have battery free flash lights. They are electro magnetic powered; you shake them and they shine. We ordered our first one from Sporty's Pilot Shop but I found a pack of a larger one with a little one at CVS and bought them, too. Our entire household no longer need batteries for light when the power is out.

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Big Iron

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I think the advice about the gun is excellent.I would recommend carrying/wearing it all waking hours. You never have advanced warning on when you'll need it.

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HH

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I know Big Iron is being smart aleck. I'm no fan of guns; there have been two accidental gun deaths in my own family (decades apart.) But I'm no fan of being a sitting duck either. I hope I can evacuate and it's never an issue.

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Better Than Batteries wrote:

Forget the batteries for those tap lights there is something available that is even better. They have battery free flash lights. They are electro magnetic powered; you shake them and they shine. We ordered our first one from Sporty's Pilot Shop but I found a pack of a larger one with a little one at CVS and bought them, too. Our entire household no longer need batteries for light when the power is out.



How do they compare to flashlights for brightness, and how long do they hold a charge? I'm thinking of also getting some solar lights, at least for the yard. It was DARK out there.
After Katrina, I was sleeping in the dining room. For ambient light, I put a sheet of aluminum foil down in the kitchen sink, and then put a short heavy candle in there. I know they advise against candles, but this seemed reasonably safe and the result was good enough light to move around the two rooms safely.

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Gnome Watcher

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Hurricane Hattie wrote:


- Sterno. Can be used indoors. One can of Sterno will heat water three times. If you can boil water, you can have coffee and tea and soup and . . . drinkable water. I set mine down in a heavy pan, put the rack from my slow-cooker across it, and a small pan of water on top. The unused Sterno will evaporate if you don't re-cover the can tightly. If I have coffee, I can endure anything.




HH,

Thanks for all of the tips - some of them were very insightful. Although we live further north than most of you who post here, we did have to live for 8 days without water or electricity - in other words, no showers, no lights, no A/C . . . you get the idea.

However, I'm going to have to take exception with your claim that Sterno can be used indoors. This is an EXTREMELY bad idea! Why?

Sterno is composed of ethenol (which is why some severe alcoholics "squeeze" it so that they can drink it - also not recommended!) and various petroleum distillates. It's somewhat similar to the "jellied gasoline" used in military flamethrowers back in WWII.

The main point is, when Sterno burns, it produces CARBON MONOXIDE!!! Granted, it doesn't produce huge amounts, but it is certainly true that you should NEVER use any product that produces carbon monoxide inside an enclosed space - like a house. Yes, you could reduce your risk by having all of the windows open, as most of us did during the Days of Katrina, but it is still not something that I would recommend. It's not that much of an inconvenience to use it outside.

Gnome Watcher

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I thought Sterno was what caterers use to keep food hot at buffets?

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sparky

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Buy a backup generator. You can find a Chinese made clone of a Honda or Yamaha on Ebay ( enter 3000 generator as a search term) and have it delivered to your door for under $400... or go to Gary's Small Engine on East Hardy and buy one for $400. This is for a 3000 watt unit whch will keep your refrigerator and freezer, tv, some lights, fans (or 5000btu small ac unit), and TV going. They use about 5 gallons per 24 hours. If you have natural gas or bulk propane at home then go to www.uscarb.com and buy a tri-fuel conversion kit for < $200 then you won't have to worry about buying gas or rotten gas (from sitting in your generator tank too long), just tap into yor home's gas supply. Replace your electric stove, oven, and clothes dryer with natural gas appliances and one these small, quiet, inexpensive genrators will make you feel guilty about your post disaster lifestyle. I had purchased one for camping prior to Katrina and it was the best money I ever spent. Get rabbit ears for tv so you canwatch WLOX's excellent broadcasts.

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TV Watcher

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Once you have your generator (and plenty of gas to run it), ditch your cable TV and get the dish. You will still be able to catch news, weather, and information besides what's on WLOX. Plus you'll have something for your kids or grandkids to watch to take their minds off of the post-hurricane problems.

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LVN

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I'm not mechanically competant enough to own a generator, and of course many live in rentals where they couldn't hook up a tri-fuel one anyway (neat gadget, btw.) However, this would be a good place to repeat for the umptieth time two SACRED CARDINAL HOLY RULES: do not run your generator indoors and do not hook it into your home's main power. You can kill yourself or a lineman. People have died in Hattiesburg within the past couple of years because of running the generator indoors. People have killed linemen by creating feedback into power lines. Even I know that.

Gnome Watcher, not to be disagreeable, but I Googled Sterno and it is ok to use indoors. However, the Sterno website has a sheet of safety precautions.

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Candle Man

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Gnome Watcher wrote:





HH,

Thanks for all of the tips - some of them were very insightful. Although we live further north than most of you who post here, we did have to live for 8 days without water or electricity - in other words, no showers, no lights, no A/C . . . you get the idea.

However, I'm going to have to take exception with your claim that Sterno can be used indoors. This is an EXTREMELY bad idea! Why?

Sterno is composed of ethenol (which is why some severe alcoholics "squeeze" it so that they can drink it - also not recommended!) and various petroleum distillates. It's somewhat similar to the "jellied gasoline" used in military flamethrowers back in WWII.

The main point is, when Sterno burns, it produces CARBON MONOXIDE!!! Granted, it doesn't produce huge amounts, but it is certainly true that you should NEVER use any product that produces carbon monoxide inside an enclosed space - like a house. Yes, you could reduce your risk by having all of the windows open, as most of us did during the Days of Katrina, but it is still not something that I would recommend. It's not that much of an inconvenience to use it outside.

Gnome Watcher




By the same logic, I should never put birthday candles on my children's birthday cakes, as the candles produce CO as well. Also nix other candles.

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Gnome Watcher

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LVN wrote:


Gnome Watcher, not to be disagreeable, but I Googled Sterno and it is ok to use indoors. However, the Sterno website has a sheet of safety precautions.




I stand corrected!!!

But, if you don't mind, allow me to explain . . .

My info came from a lesson given by my high school chemistry teacher, roughly 30 years ago. She was in her mid-forties at the time, which may be a factor in why she told us about it's production of CO and not using it indoors.

Apparently at some point in the 1960's, Sterno reportedly changed its formula, decreasing the amount of ethenol in the fuel. After Googling Sterno and reading some of the sites, I believe that she gave us that info based on the old formulation. Just goes to show you how old info can get you into trouble!!

You are absolutely right about the caution to use it in "well ventilated areas."

Gnome Watcher

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Sparky

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SACRED CARDINAL HOLY RULES: do not run your generator indoors and do not hook it into your home's main power. You can kill yourself or a lineman. People have died in Hattiesburg within the past couple of years because of running the generator indoors. People have killed linemen by creating feedback into power lines.



Good points LVN. I've watched a discussion on this on another forum and someone always brings up the fact that linemen (persons) are supposed to ground the lines which theoretically prevents a backfed line from electrocuting them. Sometimes they forget. But it's not just linemen who are at risk as the following scenario illustrates:


A disaster knocks out  power, the power company breakers trip along the lines as they are intended as a line is severed and falls to the ground a few houses away. A homeowner fires up the generator and uses a cheater cord (also called a deadman cord) to backfeed his home. It also sends power back up to the power transformer on the pole outside the home. The transformer, as its name implies, transforms the 120 or 240 volts from the generator to about 7000 and sends it through the line which is dangling across trees, cars, and perhaps a bicycle.


The power company has not arrived yet but someone walks across the street and touches the downed line (or something touched by the line). What happens next is similar to what happens when a mosquito flies into one of those blue patio devices.


If you use a generator then either:


1) Run extension cords to your appliances from the generator and don't use your house wiring at all.


or


2) Disconnect your house, totally, from the power lines. This can be done by a transfer switch installed by an electrician.


 


 



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Invictus

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I'm adding 20 gallons of unleaded gasoline & several quarts of 10W-30 for the generator(s) to your list. (For about a month after Katrina, I contemplated putting in a 500 gallon underground tank with a handpump )

And don't forget the 2-stroke mix & bar/chain oil for that chainsaw! You might want to throw a spare chain or sharpening file & guide in the buggy while you're at the chainsaw boutique, too...




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Invictus' Small Engine Mechanic

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And if you haven't fired up that generator or chainsaw since the power came on & the debris was removed, you might want to. Just remember to oil them up if you drained them as the owner's manual recommends...

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Tommy Johnson

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Lord knows you're right about that canned heat.  It's killin' me by degrees.


 



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Cossack

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There are now generators available that produce 15,000 K watts that can be installed permanently. They connect to your current wiring and start automatically. When your power goes out, they start after about a minute and about one-half a minute later it disconnects your main (power from electric company) and supply power to circuits you designate before hand (separate circuit breaker box). The 15,000 will run most everything in your house except the central air conditioner and electric heat. You can buy larger ones that will run everything in the house. These units will run off regular gasoline, diesel, propane, or natural gas. Propane or natural gas is great since you do not have to store fuel in cans, which goes bad after some period of time, nor wait in line to fill up gas cans. The unit plus installation for a 15,000 runs about $5,000. If you refinance your house you can take out the money to pay for one. It will increase the value of your house about the same amount as the cost of the system.

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Cossack, is there any danger if it's hooked into the natural gas lines and those are damaged?

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Cossack

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It acts no differently than any other natural gas appliance. The engine will shut off and you will be without power. The switch that disconnects the power from the electric company and switches it to the generator is operated by a solenoid and it is either connected to the generator or the electric supply. Since I was not in Hattiesburg during the hurricane, I do not know if the natural gas supply was interrupted. The city would have had to keep pressure in the lines, which would have required a pump. Also, some distributions lines could have been damaged if they were close to trees that uprooted.

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