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Date: Mar 4, 2005

Kenbot: "I want to see KW lynched"

Date: Mar 4, 2005

I'm sure every person present in that particular staph meeting hates Kevin Walters' guts. And I'm also sure they thought that anything they said would stay "within that room."

As far as "lynching" Walters, my bet is that Rich Campbell at the HA will receive a massively annoying number of negative calls every time a Walters article appears & very shortly we'll either see Kevin heading for greener pastures or covering 4A football games for the sports section. Malone will get his "public lynching" & nobody will know why.

Truth: Why should you be surprised that a USM polymer science graduate would make racially-tinged statements? For that matter, why would you be surprised that an adult male Mississippian would make racially-tinged statements?

Date: Mar 4, 2005

For an ignorant reader could someone please point out the racial terms used? Thanks.

Date: Mar 4, 2005

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Originally posted by: truth4usm/AH
"This just in from a reliable source: "The whole thing about the public lynching -- it's true. Ken Malone said "Before this is all over I want to see Kevin Walters in a public lynching." This at a staff meeting Wednesday of folks who want to support the president and were there to discuss ways to create a positive public perception. He said it with staffers who all work for him -- I know Lisa Mader was there and at least one black staff member who was upset by talk of a public lynching." The gloves have come off, folks. This statement, in addition to the article in The Independent, gives us all the proof we need. They are running scared in the Dome and it's only going to get worse before it gets any better. Shame on you, Ken Malone. Didn't your mother teach you any better than to use such racially-charged language and to THREATEN a member of the media??? Thank you, Kevin Walters, for doing your job and doing it well!"

This is despicable if true! Why do all these right-wing economic development types sound so much like the Soviet tyrants of yesteryear? Kill the reporters, they say? Yeah, like stopping the messenger ever accomplished anything. These un-American s-o-b's are really ****ing me off now - let's take 'em out back for a little "talk." As I have said before - enough of the nice guy (or gal) tactics - let's get confrontational and start exposing this b.s. I trust that someone has informed Mr. Walters and he has called Malone for confirmation?

Date: Mar 4, 2005

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Originally posted by: Ignorant Reader
"For an ignorant reader could someone please point out the racial terms used? Thanks."

Connotation of "lynching" includes racially oriented mob violence:

"From the 1880s onward, however, mob violence increasingly reflected white America's contempt for various racial, ethnic, and cultural groups. African-Americans especially, and sometimes Native Americans, Latinos, Jews, Asian immigrants, and European newcomers, felt the mob's fury."

From "About Lynching"

Date: Mar 4, 2005

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Originally posted by: Ignorant Reader
"For an ignorant reader could someone please point out the racial terms used? Thanks."

"Lynching" has a special meaning in MS when it comes to race. It harkens back to the bad old days of public lynchings of African-Americans in MS. Kenbot knew exactly what image he was invoking by using those words.

And to Invictus re: my expectations of former polymer scientists and Mississippians in general: as a native Mississippian, I'm always saddened with the stereotypes of my beloved home state are reinforced (esp. by non-natives like Ken Malone!). 'Nuf said.

Date: Mar 4, 2005

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Originally posted by: truth4usm/AH
" "Lynching" has a special meaning in MS when it comes to race. It harkens back to the bad old days of public lynchings of African-Americans in MS. "

Yes. From the above linked site:

"Between 1882 (when reliable statistics were first collected) and 1968 (when the classic forms of lynching had disappeared), 4,743 persons died of lynching, 3,446 of them black men and women. Mississippi (539 black victims, 42 white) led this grim parade of death, . . ."

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Originally posted by: Least Venerable
"I agree Angeline, despicable if true, and it probably is. Why do you make the assumption that "economic development types" are necessarily "right-wing?" There are countless "left-wing" capitalists who are fabulously wealthy, having amassed fortunes via the machinations of economic development long before it became the Shelby Thames mantra. I do understand, give the association with Angie Dvorak and Ken Malone, and Thames, why you'd consider ED a pejorative, but why the "right-wing" reference?"

LV, I respect your opinion here, but let's not get side-tracked by a political fight. I'm sure that Angeline was just venting. The main point is: how much more is Ken Malone going to get away with before his wings get clipped? The writing is on the wall, folks. As someone said on the Independent article thread, the line has been drawn in the sand.

What are we going to do about it????

Date: Mar 4, 2005

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Originally posted by: Least Venerable
"I agree Angeline, despicable if true, and it probably is. Why do you make the assumption that "economic development types" are necessarily "right-wing?" There are countless "left-wing" capitalists who are fabulously wealthy, having amassed fortunes via the machinations of economic development long before it became the Shelby Thames mantra. I do understand, give the association with Angie Dvorak and Ken Malone, and Thames, why you'd consider ED a pejorative, but why the "right-wing" reference?"

How many "left-wing" capitalists (an oxymoron, by the way - liberal capitalists, yes, but not "left-wing") do you see threatening the lives of reporters because they do not like what they wrote? This is the United States - we have a First Amendment - freedom of the press is one of these enshrined rights. It takes a fascist mind to threaten to kill reporters and to deem the Constitution as inapplicable to their actions, thus the right wing quip.

Date: Mar 4, 2005

Not so fast, truth.

The hypersensitive community in the South continually refers to the word "lynching" as a racially-charged term. Lynchings were held for quite a long time in the West, and one group of white men would hang another white man. The practice was in effect long before the Kansas-Nebraska Act (which helped precipitate the Civil War). Prior to the Civil War, whites rarely if ever "lynched" blacks. Subsequent to the Civil War, the practice was adopted by outlaw groups. Hanging was a standard method of execution for all peoples (including innocents), and I would wager that whites have been "lynched" by "lynch mobs" in radically higher numbers than blacks.

I agree that there are certain (numerous) terms that are solely associated with racism and slavery. "Lynching" isn't one of them. Let's not rewrite the dictionary for the sake of some guilty consciences.

Date: Mar 4, 2005

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Originally posted by: Wait Just A Minute
"Not so fast, truth. The hypersensitive community in the South continually refers to the word "lynching" as a racially-charged term. Lynchings were held for quite a long time in the West, and one group of white men would hang another white man. The practice was in effect long before the Kansas-Nebraska Act (which helped precipitate the Civil War). Prior to the Civil War, whites rarely if ever "lynched" blacks. Subsequent to the Civil War, the practice was adopted by outlaw groups. Hanging was a standard method of execution for all peoples (including innocents), and I would wager that whites have been "lynched" by "lynch mobs" in radically higher numbers than blacks. I agree that there are certain (numerous) terms that are solely associated with racism and slavery. "Lynching" isn't one of them. Let's not rewrite the dictionary for the sake of some guilty consciences. "

Sorry - you are wrong and need to do more research than watching Hollywood Westerns. You can start with USM professor emeritus Neil McMillen's book: Dark Journey: Black Mississippians in the Age of Jim Crow. Most lynchings of Blacks after the Civil War (and before then most Blacks were slaves and frequently abused & killed, thus no "lynchings") were public/community affairs where the whole family came out to to see the Balck man get lynched, shot, stabbed, and burned. This is not secret information - many books and websites are devoted to the subject.

Date: Mar 4, 2005

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Originally posted by: Wait Just A Minute
"Not so fast, truth.

The hypersensitive community in the South continually refers to the word "lynching" as a racially-charged term. Lynchings were held for quite a long time in the West, and one group of white men would hang another white man. The practice was in effect long before the Kansas-Nebraska Act (which helped precipitate the Civil War). Prior to the Civil War, whites rarely if ever "lynched" blacks. Subsequent to the Civil War, the practice was adopted by outlaw groups. Hanging was a standard method of execution for all peoples (including innocents), and I would wager that whites have been "lynched" by "lynch mobs" in radically higher numbers than blacks.

I agree that there are certain (numerous) terms that are solely associated with racism and slavery. "Lynching" isn't one of them. Let's not rewrite the dictionary for the sake of some guilty consciences.

"

WJAM, I stand by my statements (as backed up by ram and Black Cat and countless other sources). Again, I'm not going to go very far down this path because the REAL issue is: is Ken Malone going to keep getting away with his "wild West" techniques of management?

Date: Mar 4, 2005

Sheesh! I'm sorry I reiterated the "racially-sensitive" stuff, because the discussion of it has sidetracked the whole point of this thread.

The point isn't that Malone used this word or that word but that he has basically announced a vendetta against a newspaper reporter. Does this sound like something out of "All the President's Men"?

Date: Mar 4, 2005

Lynch: To execute without due process of law, especially to hang, as by a mob.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Hmm....if I were Mr. Walters and the Hattiesburg American, I'd be looking into legal action right about now.

Date: Mar 4, 2005

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Originally posted by: Black Cat
"Sorry - you are wrong and need to do more research than watching Hollywood Westerns. You can start with USM professor emeritus Neil McMillen's book: Dark Journey: Black Mississippians in the Age of Jim Crow. Most lynchings of Blacks after the Civil War (and before then most Blacks were slaves and frequently abused & killed, thus no "lynchings") were public/community affairs where the whole family came out to to see the Balck man get lynched, shot, stabbed, and burned. This is not secret information - many books and websites are devoted to the subject."

You are correct in what happened after the Civil War. Do you think Mississippi or the South is the only place in the U.S. where "lynchings" occurred? Perhaps you need to do more research than just reading McMillen's book. I have read it, and I have read others about other portions of the country. By the way, I pointed out that "lynchings" were few and far between in the antebellum period.

There are also many websites, books, etc., devoted to the history of other segments of U.S. history.

It seems to me as if you almost had your post ready to go without really reading mine.

By the way, while I know that Malone is white, I didn't know Kevin Walters was black.

Date: Mar 4, 2005

What is scary about this is the fact that Kevin has been the model of journalistic responsibility. He tells the story. He doesn't take sides. If the HA subscribes to that model, it will support him. If not........

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Mr. Malone's comments only spur on reporters like the infamous Kevin Walters. And they should only continue to prove that Thames' regime is imploding upon itself.

Congrats to Kevin for invoking such a violent response. Viva la Walters!

Date: Mar 4, 2005

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Originally posted by: Far away alum
"What is scary about this is the fact that Kevin has been the model of journalistic responsibility. He tells the story. He doesn't take sides. If the HA subscribes to that model, it will support him. If not........"

Absolutely right, FAA. I'm sure the HA will back Kevin, as he is one of their best. The question remains: now that SFT has (through his mouthpiece, Kenbot) declared war on the HA and its reporters, how long before SFT creates a "new newspaper" in H'burg to trumpet his point of view a la the Varsity Voice?

Date: Mar 4, 2005

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Originally posted by: Invictus
"Truth: Why should you be surprised that a USM polymer science graduate would make racially-tinged statements? For that matter, why would you be surprised that an adult male Mississippian would make racially-tinged statements?"

Invictus,

While I well understand the basis of your remark, I think it overreaches a bit. I'm an adult male native Mississipian and I have never, nor would I ever utter a racially-tinged remark. Nor would any of my adult male Mississipian friends (nor female friends for that matter). My late grandfather, born in 1886, would actually banish people from his home whenever he heard a racial remark, however mild. The state is evolving in the right direction, albeit slowly. You live here. You know that there are "cells" of intelligent, fair-minded people in the state, and I believe those cells are growing. I heard more racist remarks in the tony bars and restaurants of NYC in a week, earlier this year, than I've heard in Mississippi in the past several years. Racism is by no means peculiar to Mississippi. It's just more open here, and it gets a lot more press. Moreover Ken Malone is, if I'm not mistaken, an Ohio native, and a U. of Miami grad, not a home-grown Mississipian. With any luck, he'll soon crawl back into his hole in Florida, or Ohio, or wherever they'll take him.

LV

Date: Mar 4, 2005

I agree with you that this type of statement is way out of line, but the reason it is way out of line is that it threatens Mr. Walters' well-being in an attempt to get him off the story.

My point is: Let's not make this about race, because it's not. Malone is white. Walters is white. Malone is an idiot. Walters is, apparently, able to do a good job at uncovering the poop and keeping the fire stoked in between Thames' screw-ups. Malone hates this. He wants Walters to go away. Not because of his ethnicity, but because of his reporting.

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Date: Mar 4, 2005

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Originally posted by: Least Venerable
"While I well understand the basis of your remark, I think it overreaches a bit."

Yes, it does overreach a bit.

But y'know, I got to thinking about Malone's statement & maybe I agree with him after all...

<POLITICALLY INCORRECT INSENSITIVE REMARK>
So, yeah, I'd like to see Kevin Walters at a public lynching -- the one where they string up Shelby & the Kenbot.
</POLITICALLY INCORRECT INSENSITIVE REMARK>

Date: Mar 4, 2005

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Originally posted by: Least Venerable
"
Invictus,
While I well understand the basis of your remark, I think it overreaches a bit. I'm an adult male native Mississipian and I have never, nor would I ever utter a racially-tinged remark. Nor would any of my adult male Mississipian friends (nor female friends for that matter). My late grandfather, born in 1886, would actually banish people from his home whenever he heard a racial remark, however mild. The state is evolving in the right direction, albeit slowly. You live here. You know that there are "cells" of intelligent, fair-minded people in the state, and I believe those cells are growing. I heard more racist remarks in the tony bars and restaurants of NYC in a week, earlier this year, than I've heard in Mississippi in the past several years. Racism is by no means peculiar to Mississippi. It's just more open here, and it gets a lot more press. Moreover Ken Malone is, if I'm not mistaken, an Ohio native, and a U. of Miami grad, not a home-grown Mississipian. With any luck, he'll soon crawl back into his hole in Florida, or Ohio, or wherever they'll take him.
LV"

So Malone's not a Mississippian with the state-specific lingo inborn? Wow! Maybe that word crops up elsewhere in an abusive though not racial sense! Just maybe? Didn't think anybody would be willing to make that concession.

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