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saw119


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Inspired by the lost classics thread I wanted to imagine a Separations album that could have been if Pulp had the opportunity to record it in late '87/early '88. I hope this makes sense and I did think quite carefully about the running order. One thing that does stick out about these songs is their thematic similarity. Did Jarvis go through a break up at this time? I think the songs from this period are really outstanding and I hope you like the idea and running order. Feel free to argue for a rearrangement but I was going for a sense of unfolding development.

Side one

1. Heart Trouble 

2. Rattlesnake

3. Separations 

4. Don't You Want Me Anymore 

5. My First Wife I

 

Side two

1. Death Comes to Town 

2. Love Is Blind

3. Going Back to Find Her

4. Down by the River

5. My First Wife II

Singles would be Rattlesnake and Death Comes to Town

Of course, you could even recreate this album for real using a mix of live/studio tracks.



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"Down by the River" was around by this time so I would have included that as well. Also, "Didn't Feel a Thing" would have worked well on there.

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Ian wrote:

"Down by the River" was around by this time so I would have included that as well. Also, "Didn't Feel a Thing" would have worked well on there.

 Damnit I missed Down by the River, it passed me by when I was copying out the tracklist. I'll edit my post to include it. Didn't Feel a Thing seems like a potential b side to me.



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I think Nick says in Sturdy's book that there was a straight choice on Seppy between '...River' and Going Back To Find Her. They picked the wrong one imo.

Heart Trouble is pretty screechy in the one live version we have, I wouldnt be judging on it until hearing a better-performed incarnation.

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Eamonn wrote:

I think Nick says in Sturdy's book that there was a straight choice on Seppy between '...River' and Going Back To Find Her. They picked the wrong one imo.

Yes, I remember that. I think they made the right choice but I'm comparing a finished "Down by the River" to a probably unfinished live version of "Going Back to Find Her". However, I don't see any problem including both. Yes, they are lyrically similar but so are some of the other songs (for example, the stars, moon and sky are mentioned several times throughout the album)



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My criteria was to only pick songs before the later '88 songs like She's Dead and nothing from side 2 of the released Separations, which has a different feel sonically. I had to pick Heart Trouble as the album opener as I couldn't find a better place for it and it occupies that position in the one show we have it. Who knows perhaps it was only played that once!? Yes, it's pretty screechy but I could easily see Russell pushing for it to be the first thing people hear as it could almost instantly alienate a general audience.

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Side 1...
01. Space
02. Love is Blind
03. Rattlesnake
04. My First Wife ll
05. Don't you wamnt me Anymore?

Side 2...
01. Death Comes to Town
02. Death ll
03. She's Dead
04. Separations
05. Going Back to find Her


A one off 12" -
This House is Condemned/My legendary Girlfriend

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Yeah I can see you're thinking there Jason. I suppose that version of Separations is more likely to come out in early '89 though. I really wish we had another '87 show from later in the year and at least one '88 show, preferably Day That Never Happened, but I guess we work with what we've got. I originally had She's Dead in my tracklisting until I realised it was probably written mid '88. I was thinking my Separations would have come out in Spring '88 at the latest, that way those songs like Death II, Countdown & My Legendary Girlfriend would have formed the core of the next album. Of course, in reality the band went on an extended hiatus and some of these songs, like Down By The River, were six years old when they finally came out!

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They were actually playing My Legendary Girlfriend in '87, believe it or not - Steven Havenhand remembers it having the working title of Barry White Beat! Probably a good thing it didn't get recorded and released at that point though, cos it wouldn't have grown into the masterpiece it was by the time of Separations.

When you look at it, with the exception of the run from Intro to TiH, all Pulp albums have another possible album missing from the gaps inbetween, don't they?

Early post-punky stuff
Raw doomy 1984 period
The 1987 material we're talking about here
The 'proper album' version of Intro, which would probably have been very similar but with 1992-period big hitters like Live On, Glass and She's a Lady included
All that stuff that got discarded on the road towards We Love Life

That's a hell of a box set!

But yes, it's particularly a shame that 87/88 isn't better represented in terms of recordings - if only they'd done an equivalent of Sudan Gerri round about then.

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Sturdy wrote:

They were actually playing My Legendary Girlfriend in '87, believe it or not - Steven Havenhand remembers it having the working title of Barry White Beat! Probably a good thing it didn't get recorded and released at that point though, cos it wouldn't have grown into the masterpiece it was by the time of Separations.

When you look at it, with the exception of the run from Intro to TiH, all Pulp albums have another possible album missing from the gaps inbetween, don't they?

Early post-punky stuff
Raw doomy 1984 period
The 1987 material we're talking about here
The 'proper album' version of Intro, which would probably have been very similar but with 1992-period big hitters like Live On, Glass and She's a Lady included
All that stuff that got discarded on the road towards We Love Life

That's a hell of a box set!

But yes, it's particularly a shame that 87/88 isn't better represented in terms of recordings - if only they'd done an equivalent of Sudan Gerri round about then.

 Agree with all of this.

Very interesting about MLG. I wonder if it developed out of My first Wife I? That would be a very interesting listen methinks.



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I must add also that my version of rattlesnakes would include the kettledrums.
I didn't include the river song because i hear that as something that should have appeared on the little girl ep.
I have no love for heart trouble, it's a screechy, none entity and wife ll isn't anything..

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